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Computer Related => Ask the techies! => Topic started by: ZWarrior on April 25, 2002, 01:33:10 PM
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I am experienceing a bunch of problems here guys, and need some input.
OS: Win2K Pro (sp2)
CPU: AMD TBird 1GHz
RAM: 512MB
Vid Card: Prophet II MX (GeForce2 MX)
Symptoms: Prior to cleaning out the system, I would get lockups at anytime, after running a while, particularly in "heavy load" games like SS2, MOHAA, and JK2. It would lockup when just sitting running Outlook as well though.
I blew the system out, cleaned all the fans and filters, and reseated all the cards, and the general lockup ended, but the "heavy load" stops and lockups continued. But now I could recover from them by either hitting "Esc" or calling up the Task Manager then returning to the game.
I noticed two thing now though:
1) There are error messages in the System Log pertaining to the Ultra 100 Controller. But not in a few days.
2) When I played JK2 last night, along with the standard graphics only lockups (fixed by hitting escape then returning to the game) and the sound and graphics lockups (fixed by calling up Task Manager then returning to the game) I am starting to see textures that are colored wrong.
Thoughts:
1) Bad HD, Bad VidCard?
2) Maybe bad drivers for Vid Card? (current version 6.13.10.2311)
3) Reload now that it's clean and try again?
Any suggestions?
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My thoughts are due to the games you are running you were forced to load DirectX 8.1 which in the same experience with Kyle's machine...Your MX card does not support it well. I have had many lockups with the MX card due to 8.1. Try DXDIAG and see if you have any errors or tests that show problems. 8)
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i also think its the old out-of-date vid card
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Vid card could very well do it. But, I've got the exact same setup only running XP Pro. No vid problems here. Have you got a spare DIMM to try?
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xp pro and 2000 pro are almost identical
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In what way? I have both on seperate machines and I've found loads of difference.
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They are both based on NT and the way to get things done is the same
and you can use 2000 drivers for xp (IE my boomslang 2000)
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Originally posted by Dragon Master
They are both based on NT and the way to get things done is the same
Not quite....
and you can use 2000 drivers for xp (IE my boomslang 2000)
Very few....XP tends to get sick if you try too many of the 2000 drivers.
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yeah i never sead that thay work just as good i ijust sead they work
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(i have 2000pro and XPpro also)
(im useing XP right now)
(Its my fav of the two)
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If your changing the configuration of the problem stated above, has it stayed with the new OS?
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ok how are they not both based on NT when the OSes say that they are?.?.
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I should have clarified. I agree on the NT thing, but not totally on the way to get things done.
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ok let me clarifiy myself now...
I'm talking like how the devise manager is setup and how you go about seting up various things like tcp/ip and other networking utilities (OH and dont forget the SWEET fading efect)
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The differences between the two versions of the operating system are minimal, and they may be mixed in an enterprise client OS strategy of "managed diversity."
Windows XP is an update to 2000 much like ME was a update to 98.
http://www.wown.info/j_helmig/wxpdifs.htm
Here is some good reading also.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/tcevents/itevents/winxppro/TNT1-38.asp
The myths of Windows XP
http://news.com.com/2009-1001-257331.html?legacy=cnet
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I was going to post something along those lines, but You did a great job for me Spade.
The short of it...
Windows 2000 was built using the kernal and HAL from Windows NT 4.0. They improved stability and MANY other things. Yes, Unix is still a more stable OS, but then look at the differences in time and approaches.
Windows XP is built on the Win2K kernal and HAL. with a great many improvements to those items. M$ has kept the backward compatible rule, thus making XP able to run MOST 2K drivers, but not all. But this is also one of the greatest causes for the general stability issues for M$ OSes.
Thus they are built on NT technology, but the XP server will be a different beast of it's own. Supposedly.
I am now contemplating the purchase of a VisionTek Xtasy 6964. Which is a GeForce3 Titanium Ti 500 64m AGP card. That takes me from a generation2 card to a generation3 (yes, it's still one generation back, but it's not too expensive, and better than the geforce4 MX), moves me from SDR to DDR, and doubles my RAM.
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if i where you id go with the ATI 8500...
OH yeah, I DID Go with the ATI 8500.... And... i love it....:):D
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Great choice Z, I think if I was to decide between the 2 cards I would do the same. Here is why but you need to read the whole writeup.
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q4/vidcards/index.x?pg=1
I really want the GF4 TI 4600.....Oh baby!!
Here is benchmarks on 30 cards for you .
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020418/vgacharts-01.html
You can't go wrong with either one of them at the end of the day. 8)
[Edited on 4-26-2002 by Spade]
[Edited on 4-26-2002 by Spade]
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well for the price ill stick with mine....
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I fixed a part of the problem. I tried to play UT last night, and the screen went to shades of pink and blue last night. I went out the the web, and downloaded the 2 previous version drivers for my card, then removed the current drivers I was running, which were the latest 28.x drivers.
Restarted, and loaded the 12.41 drivers. No more color changes! Plus, I then went into JK2, and the graphics lockups were gone. The app lockups are still there, but the graphics aren't freezing anymore.
This means that I wouln't die while trying to get the screen back!
I am thinking of reloading the system again as there may have been corruption of files during the original load of the OS.
[Edited on 4-30-2002 by ZWarrior]
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You may want to remove the paperclip out of the other port of your vid card. You know it sounds like you still haven't done that yet!
:rolling
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Reload? Someone call on Rogue to assist this poor creature.
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you guys dont even whant to know how often i reload my PC (i experament WAY too much) OH well:D
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actualy i have to do it again soon
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Actually I used the same CD and code for both my laptop and my PC, and interesting ly enough, they both have OS problems. I am going to reload the laptop today and see if it's the software.
It's good to have MSDN!:hat
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Let me know if you need some help..I have a single load on both my machines and have had no problems except for the higher end games on Kyles machine. That will go away when I pass on my MOBO to him. 8)
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I now have sound on the laptop, and it's installing apps like a champ. I think it's all related to the CD I installed from.
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Cool, I hope that was it....What OS are you loading?
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i think he is useing XP home ed.
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(snicker...snicker) :D
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im useing xp pro
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Not a chance. I am using Win2kPro.
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yeah, that was my next guess....;)
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OK, here's the deal, the system has been almost entirely reloaded from scratch, in 1 night, and I tried out JK2 this morning. I am still getting lockups in the app itself, but I can now install anything without problems, and I will need to test the system in multiplayer. Things are running a bit more stable.
I think that the CPU cooler not working right caused some corruption in the OS.
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Here ya go buddy!!!
Via chipset owners running all flavors of win2k that are experiencing lockups need to get this one:)
Microsoft admits there is a flaw in win2k's support for the via chipsets agp. Download it HERE.
Here's a snippet from Microsoft's site on it:
This update resolves the "Video Hangs When Running 3-D Graphics Programs" vulnerability in Windows 2000. When you run a program that uses 3-D Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) on a Windows 2000-based computer that uses the VIA AGP chipset, your computer may stop responding. This vulnerability is caused by incomplete support for the VIA chipset in the Windows 2000 AGP drivers. Download now to add driver support for your VIA AGP chipset.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q261606
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All hail SPADE! All hail SPADE! :wavey:
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UM... wolf thats WAVING not HAILING :shame:
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No that's Wolfy saying....SEE YA! as he takes your flag again. :wavey:
And you saying Don't do that anymore. :shame:
:cry:
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Something tells me that Spade has another partner. This means that Zeet and I will have to watch out for the sneaky pete tactics of the translocator boys!
:sleep::rpg:
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Well I guess you know what it is to have a partner since you and Zeet have been un-seperatable for quite some time now. You find your way through the map as Zeet snipes your way clear. With my long time partner Rogue in KC now, it only makes sense to team up with someone local. Wolverine has the same mind set as me. You play to have fun, You play to win, You expect to win, You work hard on your skills, and you keep playing until you do. You respect those that play better then you and learn from them. You find their weakness and then you take advantage of it and claim the title. One thing I have learned is you don't tell the person thier weakness cuz then they will change. Like ZW for example.....I used to love to run and gun against him cuz he was predictable. Then I mentioned to him that he always jumps to the left. Now he is all over the place and is a great run and gun player. Dang I hate it when that happens!! 8)
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Thanks!
Did I tell you about your very peculiar habit?
No?!?
Imagine that! ;)
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you know we should acualy tell eachother about those bad habbits for the teams sake:dance:
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That's right, tell us all. :evil I'd love to mear more. :drool: I mean hear more. Drool got on the keyboard.
[Edited on 5-12-2002 by opiesilver]
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UM... I did mean in the CLAN section:lol
Sorry opie
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Let's not be airing the dirty laundry where Opie can take pictures. I hear he has a lot of FILM! :camera:
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If you only knew........:camera:
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here is what im going to do to O'Pee
:camera:_______________________:sniper:
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What?! I think you'd better go and lie down. You sound a bit sick. :x
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If nothing else, a bit delusional! ;)
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:lol::rolling:lol: